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    Re: Wow, if you didn't think they were crazy...

    Quote Originally Posted by sup-rbeast View Post
    Robert Byrd isn't in the news for his ignorance..but y'all keep on defending these imbeciles..

    House Democrats report increased threats since health care vote
    By the CNN Wire Staff
    March 25, 2010 10:25 a.m. EDT

    Washington (CNN) -- Democratic congressional leaders Wednesday demanded Republicans join them in condemning a spate of threats and vandalism that has followed Sunday's vote on a sweeping overhaul of the U.S. health care system.

    More than 10 Democrats have reported trouble since the weekend vote, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer told reporters. Windows have been smashed at Democratic offices in at least three states, and federal agents were investigating whether a cut gas line at the home of a Virginia congressman's brother was related to the lawmaker's yes vote.

    Democracy "is not about violence," Hoyer said at a news conference with South Carolina Rep. James Clyburn, the No. 3 Democrat in the House of Representatives.

    "Both of us believe that to remain silent in the face of such activity gives the impression of either condoning or sanctioning such actions," added Hoyer, D-Maryland.

    The top Republican in the House, Minority Leader John Boehner, told reporters that he has urged opponents to demonstrate legally.

    "I've made statements that I understand people are angry, but violence and threats are inappropriate and irresponsible," the Ohio congressman said. "If people are angry, they ought to register to vote and get involved in a campaign."

    The white-hot rhetoric that dominated the last several months of debate on the historic health care bill culminated in unruly protests by the Tea Party movement at the Capitol over the weekend. Three African-American House Democrats, including civil rights leader Rep. John Lewis of Georgia, reported protesters shouted racial slurs at them and spit at one of them, while Rep. Barney Frank, D-Massachusetts, an openly gay House member, had anti-gay slurs yelled at him.

    One House member mentioned a map on the Facebook page of former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin during a Wednesday meeting on safety concerns, a Democratic source said.

    The map shows 20 House Democratic political targets believed to be vulnerable in the upcoming midterm elections -- some have already announced their retirements. Their home districts are marked with cross hairs. Mention of the map brought audible groans to the room, the source said.

    Republican House members encouraged protesters outside and inside the House gallery, some of whom carried messages like "Vote no or else" or "If Brown won't stop it, a Browning will" -- a reference to newly elected Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown accompanied by a silhouette of a pistol.

    Since the vote, an Alabama blogger has launched a "window war" against Democrats and has kept a tally of the recent incidents of damage, including ones in upstate New York, Arizona and Kansas. A message left for Michigan Democrat Bart Stupak, whose last-minute decision to support the bill helped give Democrats the votes it needed to pass, warned that "there are millions of people across the country who wish you ill, and all of those thoughts projected on you will materialize into something that's not very good for you."

    Clyburn, who is African-American, said he has received a fax in his office with a picture of a noose drawn on it and had threatening telephone calls at his home.

    iReport: 'A very dangerous time for Obama'

    "We're giving aid and comfort to these people, and this stuff gets ratcheted up," Clyburn told CNN. "We in this Congress have got to come together in a bipartisan way and tamp this foolishness down. It doesn't make sense. That's not what a democracy is all about."

    Hoyer told a news conference that "a significant number, meaning over 10" lawmakers had reported either threats, vandalism or other incidents. Capitol police officials have briefed House Democrats on reporting suspicious or threatening activity and taking precautions to avoid "subjecting themselves or their families to physical harm," he said.

    "There are millions of people across the country who wish you ill, and all of those thoughts projected on you will materialize into something that's not very good for you"
    --message left for Michigan Democrat Bart Stupak

    Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-New York, said her Niagara Falls district office had a brick thrown through one of its windows and a message that referred to "snipers" was left on one of her campaign offices. In a written statement, she said GOP leaders have been "fanning the flames with coded rhetoric." And Maryland Rep. Chris Van Hollen blamed Republicans for encouraging heated rhetoric over the bill.

    "There's a real feeling that some of the comments from the Republican leaders and Republicans are not tamping down the fire, they are throwing fuel on the fire. And that is totally inappropriate," Van Hollen said.

    But Boehner, who compared the legislation's passage to "Armageddon," said Democrats had not complained to him that Republicans haven't been quick enough to condemn the threats and vandalism.

    Clyburn said his wife has forwarded the phone numbers from the calls to law enforcement agencies. Slaughter said federal agents and local authorities were investigating the threat and vandalism at her offices. And in Virginia, Albemarle County fire marshals and the FBI are looking into the slashing of a propane gas line outside the home of Rep. Tom Perriello's brother, the congressman's office said.

    A Perriello aide told CNN that a line to the propane tank on the brother's gas grill had been severed after the brother's home address was posted online by a Tea Party activist. Lee Catlin, a spokesman for the fire marshal's office, said the incident "did not involve an immediate threat to occupants of the residence" but would disclose no details.

    The county joined the investigation late Tuesday after a request from the FBI, Caitlin said.

    "Officials are taking the incident very seriously and conducting a vigorous investigation," he said.

    Conservative talk show host Glenn Beck told his radio audience Monday that Democrats who supported the bill would be remembered as "an enemy of the republic" and "an enemy to the Constitution." But he urged viewers of his Fox News television show Wednesday to avoid violence, because "radical" supporters of the Obama administration are counting on such attacks to discredit their opposition, he said.

    "Not only is it completely nuts and wrong, it's exactly what they want," Beck said. He told viewers, "They are begging for it. You are being set up."

    But in Kansas, Democrats in Wichita are seeking to raise money over a brick thrown through the window of the party headquarters.

    "At first, we thought our office was just the object of a random act of bitter violence, but now we know that's not the case," said the Sedgewick County Democratic Party's Web site. "This attack was instigated, encouraged and directed by an ultra-right wing blogger and similar events occurred all over the country."

    The Web site item asked for donations to "help us get back to work."

    CNN's Deirdre Walsh, Dana Bash, Lesa Jansen and Tom Cohen contributed to this report

    House Democrats report increased threats since health care vote - CNN.com

    You do realize that I did not defend anyone don't you?

    IMHO there are unsavery people on BOTH sides of most issues and it is self serving and short sited to ignore that point.

    The Tea party members that are doing STUPID things should be poinited out and condimed but to boil there movement into "Nothing but a bunch or racists" is ignoring a bigger and more mainstream issues

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    Re: Wow, if you didn't think they were crazy...

    Anyone see what Palin did with the the cross-hairs on her site? Wow, I hate that woman.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...nce-aide-says/



    Then this one, not very witty.

    Washington (CNN) - Rep. Betty McCollum, D-Minnesota, was one of several members of Congress who reported receiving obscene and threatening letters after voting for the health care reform bill passed by Democrats on Sunday.

    But her spokeswoman told CNN that inside one letter received Thursday was a condom, removed from its original packaging.

    McCollum's spokeswoman Maria Reppas said Thursday that the congresswoman's district office in St. Paul received the condom in an envelope dated March 23, along with an anonymous typed letter reading: "Betty McCollum you've been dry f***** by the liberal party."

    The condom had been removed from its original packaging and placed in a plastic bag, according to McCollum's district director. McCollum's office said the U.S. Capitol Police and local law enforcement are investigating the package along with another one received Thursday.

    Her office also reported receiving part of a shredded American flag doused in gasoline and a typed letter addressed to McCollum, Rep. Keith Ellison, Sen. Amy Klobuchar and Sen. Al Franken - all Democrats from Minnesota.

    "Each of you receives part of a shredded American flag," the letter read. "It represents Obama and your liberal filth. Open the bag, it's covered in the stench you've brought to our government ... Because of you, we are now a country of dirt, shame, corruption and slime."

    McCollum released a statement late Thursday responding to the threats.

    "I will not back down in the face of attacks, threats, and violence," she said. "I do not regret my vote, and I will proudly stand in the face of opposition and defend my support of health care reform."

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...0UV#more-96711

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    Re: Wow, if you didn't think they were crazy...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gotch View Post
    We pay a person the compliment of acknowledging his superiority whenever we lie to him.
    - Samuel Butler

    There has been plenty of opportunity for me to get personal, but that's the difference between a zealot and a person who is confident in their position.
    None of that was an attack on you..that was purely an analysis of your posts in this thread and every other thread dealing with Muslims. If you go back and actually read, you'll find you took much of that out of context. And Gotch, you made this personal with the BS you posted after my post concerning my family. You wanted venom and you got it. So, if you don't want your underlying feelings to show, don't post the propaganda you do. It's as simple as that.
    ...And if you ain't down with that, I got 2 words for ya....

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    Re: Wow, if you didn't think they were crazy...

    The tea baggers were and are proud supporters of the Patriot Act..IMO it's time they get a taste of their own medicine. It was meant to quell dissention anyways..regardless of the light W. tried to present it in. Remember "if you are not with me you are against me?"
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    Re: Wow, if you didn't think they were crazy...

    Bud, a personal attack is a personal attack. You aren't attacking the message, you are attacking the messenger. Which shows a position of weakness on your part, and a lack of an answer to the message.

    Pointing out the glaring truth is not bigotry. Just because your sister and brother-in-law believe that a crusty old torturer and murderer who raped a prepubescent nine year old girl is the one true prophet of God is no reason to turn your posts personal.

    Just because you are among the very few people with an IQ high enough to allow you to drive who actually thinks that Israel is a terrorist state and that they and not the mass murderers who use young girls and kids as suicide bombers are to blame for the better part of the trouble there doesn't mean that you have to turn to personal attacks.

    Yes they were personal and yes they were aimed directly at me. Getting mad and posting stupid crap happens and I know that, which is why I never, ever allow anything I see on the internet to anger me. If you are having a problem with that my sincere advice would be that you not reply.

    The fact is I have never expressed hate (you have). I have never called you names (you can't say the same) and until this post I have never turned the exchange personal (you clearly have).

    And, while I'm at it. You make negative posts concerning Christianity all the time, but because you have family that is Muslim you expect the rest of the forum to soft-shoe around the subject. Give me a fucking break! Talk about a hypocrite......
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    Re: Wow, if you didn't think they were crazy...

    Whatever...my sister is Christian..but I don't expect that you would be able to fathom tolerance..much less tolerance on that level. I make negative posts about any organized religion because I don't think a man needs another to tell him what he can read and interpret with his own eyes. That leads to nothing other than corruption..and IMO organized religion is corrupt....but there's enough of a stigma to Islam in this area that there's no need in folks like you adding to it. You may want to refight the crusades, but it won't be with me. But, FYI, nothing I posted was in anger, cuz the days are long passed since I get angry or irritated over what some random person I don't even know writes on a message board. But, I'm done discussing this topic with you. We don't see eye to eye and we won't see eye to eye. So, even though I will still post in this thread and others on the same topic, it won't be in response to any of your posts...and I'd appreciate it if you would show the same courtesy.
    ...And if you ain't down with that, I got 2 words for ya....

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    Re: Wow, if you didn't think they were crazy...

    Quote Originally Posted by sup-rbeast View Post
    The tea baggers were and are proud supporters of the Patriot Act..IMO it's time they get a taste of their own medicine. It was meant to quell dissention anyways..regardless of the light W. tried to present it in. Remember "if you are not with me you are against me?"


    You referring to the same Patriot Act that Obama signed and extended and the House voted 315-97 to extend?????
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    Re: Wow, if you didn't think they were crazy...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBeast View Post
    You referring to the same Patriot Act that Obama signed and extended and the House voted 315-97 to extend?????
    That would be the one...you can't spin that Bush signed that into law. And you can't spin that Bush claimed broad executive power to do the things he did. Obama is just giving the GOP a taste of what they dealt the country for 6 years...and doin' a damn good job at it in the process.
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    Re: Wow, if you didn't think they were crazy...

    Quote Originally Posted by sup-rbeast View Post
    That would be the one...you can't spin that Bush signed that into law. And you can't spin that Bush claimed broad executive power to do the things he did. Obama is just giving the GOP a taste of what they dealt the country for 6 years...and doin' a damn good job at it in the process.

    It does strike me as funny that as much as the Dems bitched and moaned about the evils of the Patorit act that they did not get rid of it now that they have the chance.........Just goes to show you that BOTH parties are in things for themselves and will be for anything that expands there on power and against anything that gives power to the other party

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    Re: Wow, if you didn't think they were crazy...

    He actually only signed a 1 year extension of 3 provisions of the act, all of them were court-approved types of surveillance.

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